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Re: 2008 Rule Book Amendments
by gsaltus on Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:29 am
-cy- wrote:
One major difference between motocross and gp racing international and the club level racing is that the motocross and "grand prix" classes alll contain "purpose built" race machines. The motocross bikes are designed from ground up to race on the motocross and supercross tracks worldwide (from suspension to the motor). Such is the same for the grand prix machines such as the GP125 and GP250 but there in lies a major difference between an Honda RS125 and the Honda RS125 GP machine (still same cc).
The issue we face in a class such as the MiniGP 80 (generally known as stock modified) is that, in general, all the four-stroke motorcycles that will be racing are not "purpose buit" race machine, whereas the Mini GP80 XL race machines are. (GPR 80 vs Mini GP 80). Herein lies the core problem... a CR150F motor vs. a CBR150F motor competing in the stock modified...both four stroke motors... completely different power thresholds...
As Speed has noted before we are trying to attract the average spectator down to the race track to both wach and/or get involved. The MiniGP (known as stock modified) class has, in history, been that source of our community members to "bring what you got". When a member of the public upgrades their SONIC, CBR or Raider.. do they put a 150 kit or a 185?
The comparison cc to a 185 fourstroke is a 93 twostroke... but when mentioned the supports of half and half believe that the 93 on a Mini GP 80 would have the advantage of a 185 CBR or Sonic. It was suggested to "test" the entry of the 185 fourstrokes vs. the 80cc twostrokes and then re-assess the cc restrictions.
Thoughts?
I understand the difference in production base and race versions. My thing is we guys that have RS aprilia's, derbi GPRs, Yamaha YSRs and Honda NSRs are getting the short end of the stick. Production vs production is where I'm coming from. Production bikes already lose out to GP80 now the four strokes are going to smash us to bits. Thats why me personally don't like the GP80 class in with the stock modified. Not everyone can afford a GP machine thats why the stock modified class was created. Get the street racers off the street, that was the idea. HWP has at least 10 RS50 lined up and where do you think they are going to be raced. We need more power!
Interesting
by Speed on Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:54 pm
We do have a Class for CBR150 & so on, Formula Class. You need (5) bikes that will REGULARY come down to race in order to form this class back. I died off due to upgrades, competition and people just never showed up after a couple of races. The bikes that were left we merged with stock modified and some rules were changed. I know the feeling, I could not race the Mistral MBK 50cc Mobylette because of this. 
Speed #100
age issue
by The Doctor on Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:43 pm
in reply to gsaltus comments,
the big thing about the age issue is that by lowering the age limit in the bigger classes you will strip the lower classes of good competitive racing. my son is 8yrs old i can keep him in the minibike open class until he is 11 or 12 and he can be a multi time champion in that class. then i can up root him straight to the 125gp class. or better yet you have a rider who is 12 to 15 and has 5 yrs race expirence and comes last every race day but by virtue of age he is qualified to race a 125 or 600 what has he shown prior to the move. nothing.
further more i want to know how many parents are willing to risk ALL they have so their child can be a pro racer? i bet none........... but that is what it is gonna take .
if you have to buy a bike every year so your child can compete just because every one else has moved up will burn a big hole in your pocket.
at the end of the day cost is going to be the biggest factor we need to keep the sport as cheep as possible to encourage riders to come out not scare them away.
The Doctor
the big thing about the age issue is that by lowering the age limit in the bigger classes you will strip the lower classes of good competitive racing. my son is 8yrs old i can keep him in the minibike open class until he is 11 or 12 and he can be a multi time champion in that class. then i can up root him straight to the 125gp class. or better yet you have a rider who is 12 to 15 and has 5 yrs race expirence and comes last every race day but by virtue of age he is qualified to race a 125 or 600 what has he shown prior to the move. nothing.
further more i want to know how many parents are willing to risk ALL they have so their child can be a pro racer? i bet none........... but that is what it is gonna take .
if you have to buy a bike every year so your child can compete just because every one else has moved up will burn a big hole in your pocket.
at the end of the day cost is going to be the biggest factor we need to keep the sport as cheep as possible to encourage riders to come out not scare them away.
The Doctor
Suggested Amendment 2.24.2 & 4.2.1
by PlaceCL on Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:33 pm
Under - 2.24 Race Results and Points / 4.2 Procedure
2.24.2 The one hour time limit outlined is unreasonable, as defined by 4.2.1 all protest must be submitted in writing. I suggest a 24-hour protest window, this will allow riders to submit a viable case (this will not apply to mechanical protest).
2.24.2 The one hour time limit outlined is unreasonable, as defined by 4.2.1 all protest must be submitted in writing. I suggest a 24-hour protest window, this will allow riders to submit a viable case (this will not apply to mechanical protest).
Re: 2008 Rule Book Amendments
by gsaltus on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:18 am
The Doctor wrote:in reply to gsaltus comments,
the big thing about the age issue is that by lowering the age limit in the bigger classes you will strip the lower classes of good competitive racing. my son is 8yrs old i can keep him in the minibike open class until he is 11 or 12 and he can be a multi time champion in that class. then i can up root him straight to the 125gp class. or better yet you have a rider who is 12 to 15 and has 5 yrs race expirence and comes last every race day but by virtue of age he is qualified to race a 125 or 600 what has he shown prior to the move. nothing.
further more i want to know how many parents are willing to risk ALL they have so their child can be a pro racer? i bet none........... but that is what it is gonna take .
if you have to buy a bike every year so your child can compete just because every one else has moved up will burn a big hole in your pocket.
at the end of the day cost is going to be the biggest factor we need to keep the sport as cheep as possible to encourage riders to come out not scare them away.
The Doctor
I agree with the fact that lower classes MAYBE strip but you said it yourself keep the sport as cheap as possible. Isn't it cheaper to get a GP125 straight off the bat instead of waiting a few years riding a GP80 that you will be hard pressed to sell taking a huge loss. Sure there aren't many people that will become professional racers but everyone wants to have a good time. Who has the money to buy a mini bike then a GP70 then a GP80 then GP125 then a superbike? It all comes down to choice. Everyone has the right to choose whether they are champions or not, came first or last, ride slow or fast. We shouldn't discriminate against each other especially those of us who never quit! ( Even those with 5yrs experience and come last every race ) They are the real champions they are the ones that will keep this club alive for years to come.
Age limit
by RWade on Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:37 am
All this age limit and experience stuff is crap. Uve seen a person come in and ride a 600 their first time riding and all that so there is always a bending of the rules or aceptions. If a rider comes last for 5 years they will be allowed to ride wateva in the end if they are a danger to anyone or themself they wont be let in the class. If someone is nervouse on the track it aint that hard to see we all know itand should be a combined decision from jones and the people in that class already the people that will have to trust that rider when they go into a corner with em doin 50 60 mph with em.
Update
by Speed on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:28 am
Last edited by Speed on Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:43 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Was not necessary)
Class Registries
by Speed on Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:37 am
I think would be a good idea to post the classes and racers that have registered for the classes. Also who has upgrade from what class. 
Speed #100
Re: 2008 Rule Book Amendments
by Admin on Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:45 am
I will retrieve all the registration information to date and post it on the BMRC website and the Forum over the following week.
GP125 Age
by -cy- on Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:46 pm
Spoke with Stewart Aitken-Cade, President of the USGPRU, on the concept of age restrictions within the 125 classification and this was his response:
Age is a really tricky thing. It really should be based on the kid's maturity level and not so much their age. But that's exceedingly difficult to measure, so you need to default to the lowest common denominator if you know what I mean.
Generally speaking, the 12-year-olds seem to be mature enough to handle it. But that's not 100% guaranteed. That's why I put a rule in my book that requires kids under 14 to have race experience on something else first. So if you're 14, you can race with us having just had a race school. Under that and you must have raced dirt bikes or something like that.
You may want to consider going down to 10-yr-old with proven experience on dirt or mini's. But I really wouldn't go any younger than that even with your slower speeds. It's still enough to freak a kid out.
Re: 2008 Rule Book Amendments
by Speed on Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:45 am
[/quote]-cy- wrote:Spoke with Stewart Aitken-Cade, President of the USGPRU, on the concept of age restrictions within the 125 classification and this was his response:
Generally speaking, the 12-year-olds seem to be mature enough to handle it. But that's not 100% guaranteed. That's why I put a rule in my book that requires kids under 14 to have race experience on something else first. So if you're 14, you can race with us having just had a race school. Under that and you must have raced dirt bikes or something like that.
I take it that now you will agree. Racing in a parking lot, recruiting 12yrs Kid's for 125cc in the most armature racing on the planet is ridiculas.
Most of our rules shouldn't even be based on this Pro SH.T anyway. Also, why are you targeting the lowest Federation age requirement. I sent you (4) of them. Yet you choose the lowest out of them all. If anything we should be looking at F.I.M. Speed #100
Re: 2008 Rule Book Amendments
by Speed on Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:40 pm
Any luck yet.Admin wrote:I will retrieve all the registration information to date and post it on the BMRC website and the Forum over the following week.
Speed #100
Re: 2008 Rule Book Amendments
by Admin on Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:20 am
The BMRC committee will meet on all amendments posted within this forum on Monday, March 31, 2008. Any further amendments to the rule book can be posted in a new thread throughout the 2008 season to be amended for the 2009 BMRC National Championship Series.
All proposed amendments and the respective conclusions will be posted on the forum after the meeting is complete.
All proposed amendments and the respective conclusions will be posted on the forum after the meeting is complete.
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